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Getting your Piece of the PIE
Whether you are selling, consulting, or managing, there is a foundational approach that has consistently helped me succeed. I call it PIE – an acronym that stands for Perspective, Insight, and Experience. When applied effectively, these three elements provide a robust framework for solving problems, winning clients, and leading teams to remarkable outcomes.
Over the years, I’ve taught this methodology to my teams, and it’s been a critical driver of their success. While I usually reserve it for a small circle, I believe it’s time to share it more broadly.
As an aside, years ago, I wrote a post about some of the negative aspects of the “reckless” application of PIE.
Perspective – Broaden Your View to Stand Out:
To truly differentiate yourself in any field, you need to develop a broad and informed perspective. This involves understanding the larger environment in which you operate: the market, competitive landscape, customer needs, technological advances, and regulatory shifts. A dynamic perspective evolves as you gain new experiences and encounter different approaches to solving similar problems across other businesses or industries.
This requires a broad understanding of the environment, market, competitive landscape, legal and technological changes, and more. It also grows and changes as you experience new and different things—especially when different approaches to similar problems are taken. It is how you start to stand out in the eyes of your prospects, customers, and team.
Earlier in my career, I taught technical courses. Two or three people usually stood out. At least one wanted to prove they were better and smarter, and usually, one discussed strange approaches to solving problems. When digging into those strange approaches, you would often identify something creative and brilliant coming from a different perspective on the problem. Curiosity and a desire to improve drive innovation.
In business, perspective becomes your differentiator. When you can see things from a broader, more holistic viewpoint, you position yourself as someone who can offer more than just solutions—you offer foresight, adaptability, and creativity. You become the lighthouse that guides your clients around tricky situations and to a better destination.
How to Apply This:
- Stay informed about industry trends, not just within your niche but across related sectors.
- Engage with diverse thinkers, challenge your assumptions, and be open to unconventional ideas.
- Regularly reassess your strategies in light of new information or shifts in the business environment.
Here is a post that discusses perspective as the starting point.
Insight – The Power of Seeing What Others Don’t:
Insight is one of the most valuable assets you can bring to any business interaction. Too often, people are trapped by existing tools, processes, and perceived constraints. Insight allows you to pierce through these limitations and identify opportunities for improvement that others miss.
Here’s where perspective plays a role in insight: the broader your view, the better your ability to generate actionable insights that can transform a business. My most successful deals and projects were not won because I followed the status quo—they were won because I brought fresh ideas to the table. By reframing the problem and presenting a path to a better solution, I created value that competitors cannot match.
How to Apply This:
- Question assumptions and typical approaches. Ask yourself, “Is this really the best way to solve the problem?”
- Look for inefficiencies, bottlenecks, and areas of waste in processes. These are often hidden opportunities for innovation.
- When engaging with clients or teams, offer insights that reframe their challenges and provide a path to improved outcomes by initially focusing on the “what” instead of the “how.”
Here’s a post that delves deeper into insightfulness.
Experience – The Foundation of Wisdom and Credibility:
Experience is the foundation that supports both perspective and insight. It’s the repository of lessons learned—both successes and failures—that shape your approach to problem-solving and innovation. The more varied and in-depth your experience, the better equipped you are to offer valuable insights and strategies.
Consulting, in particular, is fertile ground for gaining diverse experience. By working with multiple clients across industries, you gain exposure to a wide array of challenges and solutions. In sales, this experience translates into powerful stories that illustrate your ability to help clients achieve better outcomes. The more experience you accumulate, the more confident you’ll become in your ability to deliver meaningful results through transferable competence (taking skills and lessons learned from one domain and applying them to another).
How to Apply This:
- Reflect on your past experiences—what worked, what didn’t, and why. Use these lessons to guide future decisions.
- Build case studies from your experiences to demonstrate your expertise and credibility when engaging with clients or stakeholders.
- Continuously seek out new challenges that stretch your capabilities and expand your knowledge base.
As Albert Einstein wisely said, “The only source of knowledge is experience. You need experience to gain wisdom.” But it’s not just about accumulating experiences—it’s about leveraging them. Your past successes build confidence in your abilities, while your failures provide invaluable lessons that help you avoid costly mistakes in the future.
Beyond the Hunt: Fueling Sustainable Enterprise Sales Growth
The software start-up world is obsessed with “Hunters” – salespeople laser-focused on landing new customers. Job boards are overflowing with companies in “growth phases,” desperate for new logos. Understandably, the revenue from each new customer can mean a 10-20x multiple in company valuation in the VC-fueled race toward an exit. But what happens after the deal closes? Is that frenzied growth sustainable?
The Long Game: Profitability and Sustainability
My experience leading a large business unit and running my own company has taught me that sustainable growth requires more than just a flood of new logos. Here’s why:
- Cash flow is King: Lines of credit can vanish overnight (remember Silicon Valley Bank?). Relying solely on external funding is a risky approach.
- Not All New Business is Good Business: Unprofitable accounts, high-churn risks, and customers with limited growth potential can drain your resources faster than you can acquire them. Efficiency matters for scalability.
- Profits Drive Long-Term Growth: Organic, profit-fueled growth, especially when driven by innovation, creates a much more resilient and valuable business.
The Power of the Hybrid Sales Model
To achieve sustainable growth, you either need an extensive and fully integrated organization that seamlessly transitions from the sale to implementation (not many companies are able to accomplish this), or a hybrid sales team that excels at both hunting (50-70%) and farming (30-50%). Landing a new customer is hard work, but retaining and growing them is just as challenging and crucial. Customer acquisition costs are often too high to justify losing a customer only a year or two after the initial win. Treating new customers like assets (instead of commodities) is essential to long-term success.
Mastering Strategic Accounts: Turnarounds and Growth
Large, strategic accounts—Tier 1 companies with strong brand recognition and significant revenue potential—present unique challenges. In my experience, these accounts often fall into two categories: those I initially closed and then grew (ideal, as you have already laid the foundation for success), and those I inherited in a neglected state and had to turn around.
Turnarounds require a unique skill set. They demand as much time and sometimes even more effort than landing a new logo, blending aspects of both hunting and farming. It takes commitment, skill, patience, and effort to understand an organization and find new ways to deliver value. Relationships and trust take time to develop, and in this situation they are in question (or worse).
Case Study: From Churn Risk to Multi-Million Dollar Expansion
Take, for example, a large Financial Services company I inherited when their Strategic Account Manager left. The account had been neglected for two years and was riddled with problems. We lacked executive relationships and higher-level visibility within the organization. They were evaluating competitors, and we knew nothing about it! Even though they were an existing customer, we were the underdog.
I organized a day-long on-site meeting to understand their pain points. We identified immediate issues, shared our vision for the future, began building trust, and demonstrated our commitment to their success. Following this, we spent a few hours getting to know the team over dinner. It was an eye-opener for me, with them providing more information about their needs and how best to approach them.
The result? Within three months, I closed a $500K expansion deal, followed by a $500K consulting engagement and then a $3.25M two-year cloud expansion and upgrade prepay deal. My team and I rebuilt the relationship, solved critical problems (even going beyond our product scope), and provided a clear path forward with our AI-powered platform. I became a trusted advisor who was valued by their executive team. It was a true win-win.
The Bottom Line: Building a Sustainable Sales Engine
Install base growth and customer retention is critical for long-term success, especially with larger customers. The approach has to be multi-dimensional. It is a team effort, and the Account Executive is the quarterback. Relationship management, customer success teams, support, and services all play a role. Effective communication is bi-directional, where the customer has insight into what is coming down the road and input into the direction of products they rely on. This becomes a true partnership that adds significant value to both organizations.
Does this hybrid approach apply to every company? If you’re IBM or Oracle, your offerings are broad and deep, and your customers are largely locked-in. “Land and expand” is part of their DNA. And if you’re selling end-of-life products, your focus might shift towards maximizing the “long tail” through customer success and services to minimize costs and maximize profitability.
However, for most growth-stage Cloud and SaaS companies, the hybrid sales model is an essential part of their success.
Call to Action:
- Evaluate your sales team structure and compensation plans. Do they incentivize both new customer acquisition and ongoing account growth?
- Invest in training and development for your sales team. Equip them with the skills needed to excel at both hunting and farming. It can be a difficult transition, but is worth it in the long run.
- Need help building a high-performing hybrid sales team or turning around strategic accounts? Let’s connect!
Sales Discussions that Work
Selling is challenging work, and often, “we” (sales and marketing teams) make it even more challenging than it has to be. How many times have you seen a selling script, elevator pitch, or initial presentation that is long, boring, and undifferentiated? People have a short attention span, and nobody wants to interact with someone who does not listen to them or is pushy.
Your initial discussion is crucial to your success. Instead of going over a list of features, reading a slide deck, and telling why you and your product are so great, let’s try something else.
1. Understand why people buy. Any change has the potential to be difficult, risky, and painful. So, the pain they are facing has to be even greater, or they won’t bother changing. Your main job early on is to listen and try to understand their concerns. You may have a perfect solution, but if it doesn’t solve their pain, it holds little value to your prospect. This initial meeting is all about them.
2. At the start of the meeting, ask, “What would make this time well spent for you? What would you like to walk away from this meeting with?” Get them thinking about their problems and the value you may be able to provide, even if they don’t fully articulate them to you.
3. Ask questions and follow-up questions. People don’t lead with their significant issues, and someone unwilling to divulge anything likely isn’t a buyer. The more the prospect talks, the more you learn. So many sellers do not understand this simple concept. They want to dazzle you with features and demos – even if those things are not what the prospect needs.
4. Once you think that you have identified a pain, qualify and quantify it. For example, “You mentioned that your product release cycles are too long and complex. What is the business impact of that, and what would the impact be if you could reduce that time and effort by 50%?” Write that down, in their own words, because it could be vital later. If you manage to identify several pain points, review them and ask the prospect to identify the top three issues from the list, and ask why those three?
5. If you are giving a presentation, pull up the most relevant slide (customer problem/benefit slides work well here) and ask if this sounds similar to the problem they are facing. It can be a good starting point for getting the discussion moving in the right direction.
6. Don’t worry if you are not able to cover everything you intended, as long as the meeting is productive. I’ve also seen salespeople cut someone off and move on to a new slide rather than discussing something of substance. I was actually told once by a sales leader that five minutes of discussion is all that is required in an initial 30-minute meeting, because our goal is to pique their interest. That just doesn’t work.
7. Next steps. Keep in mind that your time is valuable, and qualifying out a prospect who is not a good fit is essential – it helps you avoid false hopes and lets you focus on people who might genuinely need your help. There are many ways the next meeting could go, but it’s best to ask the prospect. Would they like to expand the audience? Is there a specific issue they would like to address? Would they like a product demo or a technical discussion? Is something like a non-disclosure agreement (NDA) keeping them from opening up? Lack of engagement on their part is a huge clue. Be direct and ask the tough questions now to avoid wasting valuable time and effort later.
Here is a mini success story. In 2010, my team and I began selling the first commercial vector high-performance analytics database. There were several products already out that claimed to be 70x-100x faster than other products. Our pitch was supposed to be that we were 70 times faster than other products. That was self-limiting from the start and likely prevented people from contacting us.
After two months of minimal success (I closed a deal with a small hedge fund, which was the only sale in all regions), we started a weekly webinar called “Why Fast Matters.” The focus was on positive business outcomes rather than specific technology and features (“speeds and feeds”). We opened with some “What if?” statements, such as: What if you get answers from complex queries faster than your competitors? What if you could do that without the cost, complexity, delays, and limitations of a Star Schema or pre-aggregated data? What if you could do this on commodity x86 hardware? We would then briefly cover the breakthrough technology (which was a precursor to Snowflake) and offer a free half-day meeting with a consultant.
Within the first two weeks, we met with a company that was later acquired by PayPal shortly before eBay acquired PayPal. This company was about to spend $500K on a proprietary hardware expansion that would have only provided additional capacity for the following year. Their customers bought advertising based on queries against the last six months of their data. I asked the question, “What if they could query against five years of data and get answers faster than they do today? Do you think that would help them buy more advertising? Do your customers ever ask for this?” The response was that their customers frequently ask for 12 months of data and would be willing to pay more for these capabilities. Still, they did not have a way to do this cost-effectively.
I closed a $250K ARR subscription deal in two weeks, and they purchased $140K of commodity Dell hardware for our software to run on. They saved 20% over their planned purchase, and more importantly, they rolled out advanced querying capabilities (against six years of data) in less than a month. There was incredible value to them and their customers, and it generated more business for them. We would not have identified this need if we had primarily focused on features and technology.
As an aside, I was initially chastised for going off message, but after the Australian team adopted our approach and began closing deals, it became the new corporate standard. If something isn’t working, focus on finding ways to improve it. Even incremental change can be meaningful.
In the words of Tony Robbins, “If you do what you’ve always done, you’ll get what you’ve always gotten.”
The Imperative Of Customer Trust In 2024
I read a Forbes article that outlined findings for increasing and maintaining customer trust in business today. The summary points are below, and here is a link to the full article.
These points were foundational to the Customer for Life program that I implemented a decade ago. Treating people right is timeless. So, check out the Forbes article and the linked post, and then go out and build stronger relationships with your customers!
Lessons Learned from Selling Kubernetes
Cloud-native, containerization, microservices, and Kubernetes have become very popular over the past few years. They are as complex as they are powerful, and for a large, complex organization, these technologies can be a game changer. Kubernetes itself is a partial solution – the foundation for something extraordinary. It can take 20-25 additional products to handle all aspects of the computing environment (e.g., ingress, services mesh, storage, networking, security, observability, continuous delivery, policy management, and more).
Consider the case of a major Financial Services company, one of my clients. They operated with 200 Development teams, each comprising 5-10 members, who were frequently tasked with deploying new applications and application changes. Prior to embracing Kubernetes, their approach involved deploying massive monolithic applications, with changes occurring only 2-3 times per year. However, with the introduction of Kubernetes, they were able to transition to a daily deployment model, maintaining control and swiftly rolling back changes if necessary. This shift in their operations not only allowed them to innovate at a faster pace but also enabled them to respond to opportunities and address needs more promptly.
Most platforms utilize Ansible and Terraform for creating playbooks, configuration management, and other purposes. Those configurations could become very long and complex over time and were prone to errors. For more complicated configurations, such as multi-cloud and hybrid environments, the complexity is further amplified. “Configuration Drift,” or runtime configurations that differ from what was expected for various reasons, leads to problems such as increased costs due to resource misconfiguration, potential security issues resulting from incorrectly applied or missing policies, and issues with identity management.
The surprising thing was that when prospects identified those problems, they would look to new platforms that used the same tools to solve them. Sometimes, things would temporarily improve (after much time and expense for a migration), but then fall back into disarray as the underlying process issues still needed to be addressed.
Our platform used a new technology called Cluster API (or CAPI). It provided a central (declarative) configuration repository, making it quick and easy to create new clusters. More importantly, it would perform regular configuration checks and automatically reconcile incorrect or missing policies. It was an immutable and self-healing Kubernetes infrastructure. It simplified overall cluster management and standardized infrastructure implementation.
All great stuff – who would not want that? This technology was new but proven, but it was different, which scared some people. These were a couple of recurring themes:
- The Platform and DevOps teams had a backlog of work due to existing problems, so there was more fear about falling further behind than confidence in a better alternative.
- Teams focused on their existing investment in a platform or on the sunk costs spent over a long period, attempting to solve their problems. The ROI on a new platform was often only 3-4 months, but that was challenging to believe, given their own experiences on an inferior platform.
- Teams would look at outsourcing the problem to a managed service provider. They could not explain how the problems would be specifically resolved, but did not seem concerned about that lack of clarity.
- There was a lack of consistency on the versions of Kubernetes used, the add-ons and their versions, and one-off changes that were never intended to become permanent. Reconciling those issues or migrating to new, clean clusters both involved time and effort. That became an excuse to maintain the status quo.
- Unplanned outages were common and usually expensive. Using the cost of those outages as justification for something new was typically a last resort, as people did not like acknowledging problems that put a spotlight on themselves.
- Architects had a curiosity about new and different things, but often lacked the gravitas within business leadership to effect change. They were usually unwilling or unable to explain how real changes happen within their company, or introduce you to the actual decision-makers and budget holders.
Focusing on outcomes and working with the Executives most affected by them tended to be the best path forward. Those companies and teams were rewarded with a platform that simplified fleet management, improved observability, and helped them avoid the risky, expensive problems that had plagued them in the past. And, working with satisfied customers who appreciated your efforts and became loyal partners made selling this platform that much more rewarding.
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